I missed it.
Here's the link.
Tony Burke, Federal Minister for Agriculture;
Helen Coonan, shadow finance minister;
John Hewson, former Liberal leader;
Jane Caro, social commentator; and
Andrew Boe, Brisbane based criminal lawyer. (He's also an activist for various causes.)
Restaurants have decided to offer cut-price meals due to the financial situation. Comparing banks and restaurants she says:
The restaurants are doing it because if you go into a restaurant there's nobody in them, so they're discounting their meals, not to stimulate the economy...Hullo? What does she think encouraging people to spend in the restaurant will do? Not only will it possibly keep the restaurant business afloat, but that money will enter the system, as it's been spent - and it will stay in Australia for the most part. Not too bright.
John Hewson speaks about the banks getting us into the situation we are in now - I don't think the Australian banks are guilty of the proliferation of sub-prime loans, though I do think they are guilty of lending money to some people who hadn't really done their sums about what would be left to spend on necessities after the mortgage and all associated home ownership costs were taken out. I looked selling my house and buying a house a few years ago. In the meantime I would have to buy the second property and try to sell the first. I needed to have an interest only loan to help me with the two mortgages. The bank was quite prepared to lend me another 250k, as long as I had $900 per month left to live on. Sorry, for me $900/month to cover everything after the mortgage (including health insurance, other insurances including house, contents, car), utilities, rates, etc. is not enough. I know people live on less, but they don't have health insurance or other expenses which you have when you own/are purchasing a house. They factored in my renting out the home I have, but I would have to pay income tax on the rent I received from that and it would only cover about a third if that of the mortgage on the second property. I passed the bank's offer. (Looking back, the property I liked was just beautiful, I really wanted it but wasn't prepared to take the risk of losing what I have to buy it - maybe I should have taken that risk!) The repayments were horrific - over $400 per week!
(I'm still reading the transcript...)
New anti-consorting laws aimed at bikie groups... what's wrong with the laws we already have?
Question to Boe about human rights and a charter of Australian human rights. (So tell me, what human rights trump others? What human rights trump the law?)
Mention made of the "Bikie Gang" Ulysses. RAOTFLMAO. It's a social club, isn't it? Heaven help us that they get together and wreak havoc in the burbs and country towns....
Tony Burke is aptly named.
Oh please. Question from the audience:
MEAGHAN DAVIES: Possibly most concerning about the chicken sex tape is that 44,797 out of 69,735 Australian polled today didn't find it offensive. Are Australians becoming too tolerant to violence and the degradation of women?Chicken sex tape.
Jane Caro, on the chicken tape, is pushing the barrow that feminists haven't educated these young men very well and there's still a place for feminism to counter such dreadful displays as this and ... blah blah blah. Pushing the feminazi barrow. Great. That's going to achieve a lot.
Shoot me, I think I agree with Andrew Boe.
ANDREW BOE: ... Look, can I just firstly just agree with what was said on the left, save for I don't think it's just a gender issue. I think white young men in first world countries need a lot to learn. I think we are abusing the privileges we have in this country. I accept I'm not white myself but I'm saying that in this society, at the moment, powerful, rich, young men in sporting clubs and in those sorts of groups feel as if they won't be restrained by the society. They are heroes and they are really allowed to do whatever they wish to do, be it a sexist thing, be it a racist thing, be it something that's anti-religious or whatever. Men need to get it. It's no longer acceptable and I think unless we, all of us, embrace that with a bit more seriousness, whether it be sporting bodies or government funding, it won't change.John Hewson echoed a few of my thoughts on bad behaviour of sports "celebrities" (for wont of a better word). (I personally think the whole thing was a feminazi beat up - as BoaB has pointed out on Bolt's blog - or was it Blair's? - today, the whole thing with the red-headed rubber chook (Gillard) and the pasty plucked chook (Kevin), was a spoof of them.
Although it's a shame a silly recording of a stupid adolescent skit involving a rubber chicken and a frozen chicken has caused this kind of ridiculous reaction, over reaction!
Coonan agrees that it is an horrific occurrence, this terrible sexist tape.
Caro believes that progress has been made because we're talking about it now, whereas it would have been pushed under the carpet before. Caro is talking about girls, and not chickens.
There's a lot of (indistinct) in the transcripts. And when Tone repeats the comment it's funny 'cos it's STILL (indistinct).
Now, onto different stuff...
About Rudd's popularity...
JOHN HEWSON: Look, in the circumstances of a - yeah. In the circumstances of a crisis, which we have - a global economic and financial crisis - Rudd has had a unique opportunity to actually make a mark and it's hard to actually fault, in those circumstances, the fact that he's there every day. And if you add to that the fact that Kevin Rudd is the master of the 24 hour media cycle - I mean, I thought Howard was good. This guy is terrific. He can control that cycle one day, so he's on broadband today, he's on Obama tomorrow, he's in Indonesia the next day. You know, an opposition leader - I'm amazed that Malcolm has got 18 per cent, quite frankly. I mean, it's very hard. It's very hard.For crying out loud. Rudd is a CELEBRITY. That's how he's doing it.
Obamessiah and KRudd our hero, it's gonna be a kinder, gentler world, we'll have a society not an economy*...
ANDREW BOE: I thought Mr Turnbull was looking more and more haggard these days because can I just say something a little bit serious about something that's obviously treated lightly. It's just great to have politicians like Obama, and Rudd, for that matter, who are proposing a vision for the way we want to be. I think the one thing - we live in the first world. Comparatively we are doing really, really well, except for the black fellas, and - but the legacy that, for me, the Howard years left was you just didn't feel comfortable with what we were doing to - to everybody else in the world and to those who were weaker than us in our society and I think the one thing those two men give to us is some sense of hope that there is a better way to do all this and I think that should be (indistinct).
Oh, where's me spew bag?
This is fascinating. Coonan says that Rudd's delivered nothing, just talk. BIG talk. Then Burke replies, it's worth putting here in it's entirety.
HELEN COONAN: Yes. Look, I think that this is a very difficult time in the economic cycle and so far as I can tell, no one's ever shot Santa Clause yet, so that Mr Rudd giving out a lot of money and doing the 24 hour news cycle, saying a lot of things that obviously people want to hear, is a very difficult thing to counter. But I just caution this way and this also won't be a very popular statement. Tony started off with that, saying he didn't agree and it wouldn't be popular. You won't agree and I'm sure this isn't popular, but you have to be very careful in the end that the visions actually turn into real and concrete action. So far we haven't seen Mr Rudd actually deliver anything other than broad statements, obviously big statements, certainly statements that are well received by the electorate, but so far the rubber hasn't hit the road yet and you have to be very careful when you look at the fact that we've now got $80 billion worth of spending, $200 billion worth of debt, huge tax increases coming down the pipeline to get you all to pay for all this, that this doesn't turn into an hallucination.I think Burke has a bit of a disconnect with what is real and what is symbolic. It goes on, you must read it. Link to transcript.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Here, here.
TONY JONES: Okay. A very brief comment from Tony Burke. Can you do that?
TONY BURKE: Oh, gee, it's hard after that. Look, just put simply, to say that major changes haven't happened, I think belittles the significance of issues that were settled at the last election. The apology to the stolen generation was real. Ratifying the Kyoto Protocol was real. And in terms of why is it that Australia has been ahead of the curve and, yes, we are feeling the global recession but we are in a much better space than comparable economies, with the United States now having five million unemployed join the cues, China having 20 million unemployed join the cues. The stimulus packages are part of that. That's real.
*that's because the economy has gone down the shit chute because of the GFC and idiotic policies of governments to shore things up and prolong the pain and suffering. Aussies are fine if they have jobs, but that's rapidly changing now.