DEEPA GUPTA: I think with any - like, when you get - are in a war, like there's so much hurt done on both sides that you can keep arguing for one side or you can keep arguing for the other side and I don't think you actually get anywhere, and that's what's been happening. Like, people don't understand the hurt that has been done on the other side. And, furthermore, like on the issue of cultural boycotts, like I understand the effectiveness of cultural boycotts but, at the same time, like I think music plays a really big role in bringing peace. Like earlier this year in India we did a climate solutions road tour and we had a solar powered rock band travelling with us and a dance troupe and - and these people were from America and they sang songs in Hindi and the most amazing thing was - you know, often, especially with rural communities, it takes weeks to build up trust with them and to help them understand what these issues are with music and dance we were able to break down these cultural barriers within 30 minutes. Like people were happy and dancing and open and really open to listen and I think that we need to acknowledge that music plays a really big role in connecting with people's hearts and helping then understand each other.Someone explain to this greentard warmy twit what "base load" is, because she has no idea what it is and why it is necessary.
ANTHONY ALBANESE: Well, I think what we've got to do is not - it's not a matter of either or. The reality is that we have a great opportunity in Australia to expand the renewable energy sector massively. But when I go to international conferences I, with due respect, don't see the Chinese and Indian representatives saying, "We're not going to have any more coal fired power stations." What, in fact, they're doing, is building them at a rate that is scary. Because unless clean coal technology can be made to work, then we are going to have a real problem. So we need to invest in new technology and research and get it right, whether it's clean coal technology or whether it's renewable, the problem is that developing countries will want, just as we have benefitted from base load power, they will want base load power and there is two options at the moment: coal and nuclear. They're the two options that are around. We need to invest in renewable technology to make sure that we - to see if that can be developed and there's great prospects with solar thermal and geothermal, et cetera. But I don't think we can afford to say, "No, we'll just cut off that option and not worry about it.Then perhaps a lesson in economics, regarding supply and demand, and economies of scale so that when supply of electricty exceeds demand we will have to pay!
DEEPA GUPTA: I don't think it's an issue based on power though. It's an issue of the fact that it's cheap electricity.
NIKKI WILLIAMS: No, it is an issue of - you have to have base load power because, you know, if you look at a developed economy, probably about 20 per cent of the electricity use in that economy will be residential. The rest of it is industry and business, the things that actually employ us, that keep our economies going. So for that kind of electricity demand, you have to have base load. So you need a reliable energy source...
DEEPA GUPTA: To be honest, it just feels like non on here actually cares about the issue of climate change. Like this is threatening the survival of - like the future of my generation and all future generation and you're sitting here debating - you know, one party debating like 10 per cent for 2020 and another party debating whether we do anything or not, full stop.and this from another deluded audience member:
DEEPA GUPTA: But to ensure the survival of like all nations and people and to stop - like, you know, to stop countries from going underwater, we need to aim for like 350 parts per million as a safe - like the upper limit of safe carbon - carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. And for that, like, Australia needs to be taking targets of like 40 per cent of more by 2020 and none of you guys are even talking about it.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yeah, look, I want to know why we're still sitting around here talking about clean coal and spending billions of dollars on research on development when the technology is years off - the dangers are huge from this technology; it's completely untested - when we have got the answers in our hands in renewables?More like, depth, from Deeepa:
TONY JONES: So where did you see the solution coming from, because Nikki is absolutely right. I think it is 80 per cent of China's power comes from coal. In India 66 per cent of carbon emissions in India come from coal. Both huge countries, both developing countries. Both want more electricity.The whole shemozzle is here.
DEEPA GUPTA: Yes, I understand that they do both want more electricity but I think that that lies in renewables. Like, for Australia it is one of the windiest, one of the sunniest countries in the world. It's surrounded by ocean. It has the best hot rocks and, you know, for Australia - the CSIRO's study, I think, says that in the next 15 years we can actually generate 1 million clean energy jobs. So in Australia it is definitely possible. Now, secondly, you raised India. Similarly, India is also one of the sunniest countries in the world and, you know, India is really exciting in the sense that they have the opportunity to develop sustainably, if possible. But the question is is that India has two challenges on its hand. It has that of development and that of climate change. India has 800 million people living on less than $2 a day so that needs to be addressed simultaneously with development and so I think what we need is we need developed countries to support countries like India and other developing nations to develop cleanly so that they can avoid the problems that developed nations have created, and I think that's totally possible.
This exchange between Albanese and Pyne:
ANTHONY ALBANESE: Well, that doesn't mean it's true. Most of what is reported on these issues is distorted and I note we've had Philip Ruddock and Kevin Andrews and people out there, once again, because the Coalition don't have a policy - our policy is pretty clear.
CHRISTOPHER PYNE: You're in government, so why don't you fix the problem.
ANTHONY ALBANESE: We have done - well, because...
CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Why don't you do something yourself.
ANTHONY ALBANESE: Why don't you just fix Afghanistan and fix Sri Lanka.
CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Why do you keep talking about the Opposition all the time?
ANTHONY ALBANESE: Because that is...
CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Why don't you do something?
ANTHONY ALBANESE: ...that is - that is the source. There are push factors there that lead...
CHRISTOPHER PYNE: (Indistinct) the Opposition.(I am sure that you can hear what he says in the audio.)
ANTHONY ALBANESE: ...that lead to people seeking asylum. It is not about Australia's policy. It is what is going on overseas.
TONY JONES: Okay.